Unrealistic summer transfer wankfest III

[dozer]

Can we sell Ugarte, Hojlund and Zirkzee now?
We're not winning the league this season. I want someone with real potential like maybe Chido and Kobbie to get more minutes over established garbage like Zirkzee and Ugarte.
Their development will strengthen us even further next season.

Think they're more likely to sell Casemiro and one of Holjund or Zirkzee will definitely stay as a backup for Sesko if he comes. Otherwise we're basically putting all the weight on Sesko's shoulders which is the mistake we made with Hojlund. Chido is surely not ready for an extended stint in case of injury.

I wouldn't be exactly sad to see Ugarte go but I think the smarter play is using him for another season to bully certain teams and try and break even or possibly sell at a PSR profit next summer. He was a market opportunity last summer, available for market value and filled a hole in the squad.

You think Zirkzee will take more weight off Sesko over Chido? He's completely useless.
If Sesko gets injured, and if Chido is tired, Cunha can go up as a makeshift forward with Bruno and Mbuemo behind.

[fat maradona]

Think they're more likely to sell Casemiro and one of Holjund or Zirkzee will definitely stay as a backup for Sesko if he comes. Otherwise we're basically putting all the weight on Sesko's shoulders which is the mistake we made with Hojlund. Chido is surely not ready for an extended stint in case of injury.

I wouldn't be exactly sad to see Ugarte go but I think the smarter play is using him for another season to bully certain teams and try and break even or possibly sell at a PSR profit next summer. He was a market opportunity last summer, available for market value and filled a hole in the squad.

Don't forget that Cunha could play as CF if needed and the system also allows Bruno to be a part of a fluid front three, Mount & Mainoo can cover him there.

I was one of those who thought that Ugarte was going to work out but his first season was poor but we also did have a change in manager and system and it always takes players coming from abroad a season to adjust to the PL. I hope he works out but if he has to be sold to make room for Baleba and Kone, then so be it.

[Fuck the Glazers]

I'll be delighted if we get Baleba - he's an outstanding player, perfect for us.

As for the money, it could be that we have outgoing deals lined up. Or I wonder if Ineos are planning something 'sneaky', like selling ourselves the women's team like others have done (which is bizarre to me), or sponsoring the newly refurbished training ground - but we're holding off announcing anything until after the window shuts to strengthen our negotiating position.

I can see that tbf. Makes sense to hold off as well otherwise we'd get rinsed.

[Fuck the Glazers]

I'll be delighted if we get Baleba - he's an outstanding player, perfect for us.

As for the money, it could be that we have outgoing deals lined up. Or I wonder if Ineos are planning something 'sneaky', like selling ourselves the women's team like others have done (which is bizarre to me), or sponsoring the newly refurbished training ground - but we're holding off announcing anything until after the window shuts to strengthen our negotiating position.

Thinking further on this, something is brewing. I’m sure of it. It could just be that we’re advancing some of next years budget to accelerate the rebuild and in so doing, accelerate the route back to bigger revenues. Could be just that, and it would make sense - our latest quarterly numbers show that the cost cutting measures have had a huge impact - more so than they thought. So our PSR position is much better than it was. Cash is still an issue, but if we can secure decent payment terms we have a fair amount of wriggle room. And maybe we’re taking a calculated risk that we can spend now, and balance the books later.

But I think it’s something else, for 2 reasons. 1) Later this month the drag along rights kick in, and its a tipping point for some of the ownership dynamics. Maybe there’s an ownership change brewing….? 2) Linked to point 1. Maybe there’s fresh investment. I know the club were very busy pitching for new investment in the US tour. Largely linked to the stadium, but let’s be honest - no one’s spending £4b on a stadium unless the team gets fixed.

Something is brewing, I can feel it. It won’t be revealed until after the window closes, but I think something is afoot….

I'm sure I read something recently about Ineos buying more equity and becoming majority shareholder. A stipulation of the transaction might be that the Glazers take deferred loan notes and so the investment is retained within the company. That's just me speculating but where else is the money coming from? I know we have increased our overdraft (probably secured by Ineos) which will give us more liquidity now.

It's worth checking but I think the drag along rights are active now, certainly this year, meaning the Glazers can sell more shares but Ratcliffe has first dibs.

If the Glazers were gonna sell to another group surely Ratcliffe wouldn't be arsed about the club. But given that Ineos are still running the show suggests he's going to be around in the future. So maybe they're working on a full sale

Equally I can see them staying put cos if Ineos turn the club around, it's gonna be worth a lot more. But then the Glazers might want a price that reflects that 'inevitable' success now.

[Remi Moses]

Can we sell Ugarte, Hojlund and Zirkzee now?

I think Ugarte has uses, and deserves one more season. He played excellently in the West Ham game, let's not throw him under the bus based on 1 friendly. Zirkzee was improving significantly as the season went on, Hojlund was getting worse. Plus Zirkzee offers a unique skillset that could work very well with the new 10's. Having him and Chido as backup 9's is more than sufficient. It seems clear they will try and sell Hojlund on the cheap, and failing that will do a last minute loan.

[Felwin]

Can we sell Ugarte, Hojlund and Zirkzee now?
We're not winning the league this season. I want someone with real potential like maybe Chido and Kobbie to get more minutes over established garbage like Zirkzee and Ugarte.
Their development will strengthen us even further next season.

Think they're more likely to sell Casemiro and one of Holjund or Zirkzee will definitely stay as a backup for Sesko if he comes. Otherwise we're basically putting all the weight on Sesko's shoulders which is the mistake we made with Hojlund. Chido is surely not ready for an extended stint in case of injury.

I wouldn't be exactly sad to see Ugarte go but I think the smarter play is using him for another season to bully certain teams and try and break even or possibly sell at a PSR profit next summer. He was a market opportunity last summer, available for market value and filled a hole in the squad.

You think Zirkzee will take more weight off Sesko over Chido? He's completely useless.
If Sesko gets injured, and if Chido is tired, Cunha can go up as a makeshift forward with Bruno and Mbuemo behind.

Yes Dozey, I think that as I live in reality, not in another dimension. You've said yourself he has shown something, now you're just picking a fight and wumming.

Listen to yourself talking about "makeshift" forwards like that hasn't been half the problem last season. Why would we sell a rotation option who could be a foil for Cunha and Mbeumo and is a different profile (plan B) when Hojlund is right there, stinking out the place? Chido is a kid ffs. I agree he needs to be integrated but throwing him in the deep end isn't the way. That's how we ruin yet another player.

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

I remember watching a clip of Berada and Bigiristain at City, discussing squad dynamics, contract renewals, who to let get etc. The central principle was that players get 2 years from signing to demonstrate they're brining value in line with their contract/asset value. I.e. a year to settle in, then a year to perform. Not that every player needs to be hitting it out of the oark, but that they are performing in line with their level of contract. I'd imagine he embeds a similar principle here. So it's a big year for the likes of Ugarte. Zirkzee too, though if he keeps progressing as he was last season, he'll be fine. Mount needs to produce this season too. I also think it's why we're up for letting Hojlund go - he's going backwards if anything. Same with Onana.

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

If Zirkzee can improve his physicality and sharpen his desire to get into the box, he'll be a player. He's got the technique and footballing brain. And he's young.

[dozer]

I remember watching a clip of Berada and Bigiristain at City, discussing squad dynamics, contract renewals, who to let get etc. The central principle was that players get 2 years from signing to demonstrate they're brining value in line with their contract/asset value. I.e. a year to settle in, then a year to perform. Not that every player needs to be hitting it out of the oark, but that they are performing in line with their level of contract. I'd imagine he embeds a similar principle here. So it's a big year for the likes of Ugarte. Zirkzee too, though if he keeps progressing as he was last season, he'll be fine. Mount needs to produce this season too. I also think it's why we're up for letting Hojlund go - he's going backwards if anything. Same with Onana.

2 years is what I've been saying. It should really be 1, but 2 is more realistic to implement. This is why Mount needs to go as well, because he's been here for 2 years but he'll stay. Isn't he on top tier wages, higher than Mbuemo and Cunha?

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

Mount is on a wedge. He was a ridiculous signing. Who'd buy him? No chance right now.