Greenwood

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

There's still ambiguity for me. Ambiguity in the sense that the CPS refer not only to witnesses withdrawing, but new evidence coming to light, and the club has stated that it believes he didn't commit the acts he was alleged to have done. But then there's reference to 'he's made mistakes', and he still needs to leave the club.

Its neither one thing nor the other. A real mess.

[dozer]

There's still ambiguity for me. Ambiguity in the sense that the CPS refer not only to witnesses withdrawing, but new evidence coming to light, and the club has stated that it believes he didn't commit the acts he was alleged to have done. But then there's reference to 'he's made mistakes', and he still needs to leave the club.

Its neither one thing nor the other. A real mess.

The club statement is officially ambiguous but in reality from our perspective it couldn't be clearer.
The he made mistakes part is his way of saying he did it because he can't say it outright. That'll probably send him to prison. The club can't say it outright either.

[Fuck the Glazers]

There's still ambiguity for me. Ambiguity in the sense that the CPS refer not only to witnesses withdrawing, but new evidence coming to light, and the club has stated that it believes he didn't commit the acts he was alleged to have done. But then there's reference to 'he's made mistakes', and he still needs to leave the club.

Its neither one thing nor the other. A real mess.

I strongly believe no one truly knows except Mason and his gf.

United wanted to believe he was innocent or rather didn't give a fuck either way cos he's a valuable asset and we need a striker. But the backlash, the leaks, the displays of incompetence mean they've made a U turn.

It's the right decision but how they came about it has left the club on the fucking floor. United means nothing these days, it's a shitty business trying to protect itself and its profits.

[bman2]

Maybe someone has agreed to buy him while there’s still enough time left in the window to invest the proceeds?

Even with charges being dropped and all that, he’ll surely only be sold for a fraction of his value. Loan move first?

[bman2]

It’s not a good outcome, but I suppose it’s hard to criticize the club too much based on what we know. They’re respecting f the legal process but also saying there’s no future for him at the club. Too many supporters said they wouldn’t accept him back regardless of the outcome of the legal process, which put the club in a lose-lose situation.

[dozer]

There's still ambiguity for me. Ambiguity in the sense that the CPS refer not only to witnesses withdrawing, but new evidence coming to light, and the club has stated that it believes he didn't commit the acts he was alleged to have done. But then there's reference to 'he's made mistakes', and he still needs to leave the club.

Its neither one thing nor the other. A real mess.

I strongly believe no one truly knows except Mason and his gf.

United wanted to believe he was innocent or rather didn't give a fuck either way cos he's a valuable asset and we need a striker. But the backlash, the leaks, the displays of incompetence mean they've made a U turn.

It's the right decision but how they came about it has left the club on the fucking floor. United means nothing these days, it's a shitty business trying to protect itself and its profits.

If the stance is I don't truly know then surely he should be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Imo it's clear he committed the crime, judging by his lack of strong denials, the videos pics and audios his partner posted, him breaking bail conditions and now his own statement saying I didn't do it but mistakes were made wink wink. These are unlike rape allegations other footballers go through where very little is out there for the public to see.

Actually I'm being inconsistent myself. I'd be opposed to see him go to prison if in a hypothetical scenario the justice system decided to not consider evidence and dropped charges and simply punish him based on what was leaked to the public. But I still don't want United to keep him.

[Fuck the Glazers]

It’s not a good outcome, but I suppose it’s hard to criticize the club too much based on what we know. They’re respecting f the legal process but also saying there’s no future for him at the club. Too many supporters said they wouldn’t accept him back regardless of the outcome of the legal process, which put the club in a lose-lose situation.

Thing is the legal process doesn't protect victims of domestic abuse as I've highlighted here. If a person drops charges - which is common due to possible repercussions - the case is over.

Even when police do get involved, very few perpetrators go to court, even fewer are convicted. For example in September 2021 1.3% of rape cases ended with a charge. Even less were convicted.

I suppose part of me sharing my learning on here is in the hope that people realise the law does not protect DA victims. And that just cos someone has a clean charge sheet, doesn't mean they're not making some suffer. This is men and women btw.

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

Anonymity is key for both accused and alleged victim, in my opinion.

[bman2]

Well sounds like he’ll be gone from club soon enough anyway.

Setting aside the individual involved, from a practical perspective, it’s another hole in the squad. Hojlund might prove to be a good replacement for Greenwood, but we still desperately need another goalscorer.

[Fuck the Glazers]

These are fair points. I don't think the evidence proves shit tbh.

For those without twitter:

'If he didn’t do anything wrong, why are the club getting rid? Why can’t they tell us the evidence they claim exonerates him and, with his innocence proven, put him back in the team? What “mistakes” are they referring to if not physical and emotional violence?'