Assessing our squad

[Fuck the Glazers]

Anyone else wondering if McTominay would have been a good fit with Amorim's system?

Maybe not. McT works for Napoli cos they do that cool thing where they have 5 forwards in attack. Lots of runners, lots of runs, and McT invariably makes a good run and gets on the end of something in the box.

Amorim is more rigid with repeated passing routines.

The thing about Napoli as well, they're looking for a hero. Someone to worship. And he's put himself in that role. So it works all round. He'd never be embraced like this at United.

[Fuck the Glazers]

Question marks over Ruben Amorim's commitment to Manchester United's academy will only have heightened following the head coach's rather strange comments before Monday's Premier League game with Bournemouth at Old Trafford.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... j8mgy81zno

This was his response to Mainoo questions. He basically says 'I don't play him because the academy players aren't good enough'. If he thinks Mainoo is not good enough then he should be sacked because we've employed a total fucking idiot.

Have to say... Amorim is a fucking knobhead IMO. I could tolerate it if he got results and/or his football was worth backing. But at the minute the evidence shows he's one of the shittest managers in the Prem. Yet he's completely unaware of it.

[Felwin]

Have to say... Amorim is a fucking knobhead IMO. I could tolerate it if he got results and/or his football was worth backing. But at the minute the evidence shows he's one of the shittest managers in the Prem. Yet he's completely unaware of it.

I know I'm one who gives people more of a chance than most, even if it's the rope to hang themselves, but it's starting to feel like one I got wrong.

Once you're over his charm and his initially very grown up way of talking, you realise his values are in the wrong place. He wants very specific types of players for very specific positions, so if they aren't that, they're shite and should be sold. Like I said in a thread the other day, if he was a Mourinho type who liked to spoil the spectacle, you could forgive him for being negative and cynical, but apparently he's an exciting young coach. I just honestly get the impression that he's weak, unsure, maybe even a bit dense. Whatever it is, he seems unfit to be a United manager long term, even if this season ends up being "better" than the last one.

[swampash]

Question marks over Ruben Amorim's commitment to Manchester United's academy will only have heightened following the head coach's rather strange comments before Monday's Premier League game with Bournemouth at Old Trafford.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... j8mgy81zno

This was his response to Mainoo questions. He basically says 'I don't play him because the academy players aren't good enough'. If he thinks Mainoo is not good enough then he should be sacked because we've employed a total fucking idiot.

Have to say... Amorim is a fucking knobhead IMO. I could tolerate it if he got results and/or his football was worth backing. But at the minute the evidence shows he's one of the shittest managers in the Prem. Yet he's completely unaware of it.

Totally

[JoelfuckingGlazer]

Aye. He also spoke publicly about Obi. Collyer and Amass 'struggling'. Aside from the lunacy of publicly shaming young players that way, it's bullshit about Amass in particular. Wednesday fans are raving about him and he literally won their player of the month award in November

[Felwin]

Aye. He also spoke publicly about Obi. Collyer and Amass 'struggling'. Aside from the lunacy of publicly shaming young players that way, it's bullshit about Amass in particular. Wednesday fans are raving about him and he literally won their player of the month award in November

He knows he's up against it and needs a load more players for his system, so why would he waste time on those that probably won't fit?

This is the problem with being so inflexible. It's one thing to have a clear idea, but for it to be so specific that the overwhelming majority of players can't play it, it just becomes dense. You feel Amorim needs to be at a team who can just bully the league they're in. No wonder City were into him as a Pep replacement, give him a billion and he might create a dynasty. By the tim we've given him a billion, half the current players will have retired.

[dozer]

Aye. He also spoke publicly about Obi. Collyer and Amass 'struggling'. Aside from the lunacy of publicly shaming young players that way, it's bullshit about Amass in particular. Wednesday fans are raving about him and he literally won their player of the month award in November

He knows he's up against it and needs a load more players for his system, so why would he waste time on those that probably won't fit?

This is the problem with being so inflexible. It's one thing to have a clear idea, but for it to be so specific that the overwhelming majority of players can't play it, it just becomes dense. You feel Amorim needs to be at a team who can just bully the league they're in. No wonder City were into him as a Pep replacement, give him a billion and he might create a dynasty. By the tim we've given him a billion, half the current players will have retired.

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Thats true for anybody mate. This is why I kept saying we need to introduce a lot of churn immediately within two summers which means selling a lot and buying a lot. I know that's hard but that's the only way to win the league. It's not just us, no other club can compete with city over a decade apart from the old league title without doing this. City themselves needed players after a long while and they bought what? 6 players last Jan? They were preparing for their own churn.

If this is not possible, or we can't afford it, or we end up buying too poorly, all of which are very likely and understandable scenarios then we won't ever come close to competing with City again. Forget about being the Man United of old, we won't even be the Arsenal of the 90s who competition to United but still overall clearly second best. This is true for anyone else in the league and it's proving to be the case so far. Other teams have to scrap for one or two league titles in a decade while City take the rest.

[Felwin]

Aye. He also spoke publicly about Obi. Collyer and Amass 'struggling'. Aside from the lunacy of publicly shaming young players that way, it's bullshit about Amass in particular. Wednesday fans are raving about him and he literally won their player of the month award in November

He knows he's up against it and needs a load more players for his system, so why would he waste time on those that probably won't fit?

This is the problem with being so inflexible. It's one thing to have a clear idea, but for it to be so specific that the overwhelming majority of players can't play it, it just becomes dense. You feel Amorim needs to be at a team who can just bully the league they're in. No wonder City were into him as a Pep replacement, give him a billion and he might create a dynasty. By the tim we've given him a billion, half the current players will have retired.

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Thats true for anybody mate. This is why I kept saying we need to introduce a lot of churn immediately within two summers which means selling a lot and buying a lot. I know that's hard but that's the only way to win the league. It's not just us, no other club can compete with city over a decade apart from the old league title without doing this. City themselves needed players after a long while and they bought what? 6 players last Jan? They were preparing for their own churn.

If this is not possible, or we can't afford it, or we end up buying too poorly, all of which are very likely and understandable scenarios then we won't ever come close to competing with City again. Forget about being the Man United of old, we won't even be the Arsenal of the 90s who competition to United but still overall clearly second best. This is true for anyone else in the league and it's proving to be the case so far. Other teams have to scrap for one or two league titles in a decade while City take the rest.

Yep, You're bang on that it's a scrap over a few places but as you say yourself, the likelihood of getting it all right within a few seasons is very very slim.

My point is that Amorim is going to cost us more than normal managers because he is so fucking inflexible and has this incredibly specific system that no other fucker plays or grows up in. We'll see how much the club backs him in this respect. If we spunk loads of money on WBs in Jan, then we'll know Amorim is here to stay no matter how long it takes. If the club spunk the money, sell Mainoo, then sack Amorim anyway, then we can safely say INEOS have as much of a clue as the Glazers and their cronies. i.e. fuck all

[Fuck the Glazers]

Aye. He also spoke publicly about Obi. Collyer and Amass 'struggling'. Aside from the lunacy of publicly shaming young players that way, it's bullshit about Amass in particular. Wednesday fans are raving about him and he literally won their player of the month award in November

He knows he's up against it and needs a load more players for his system, so why would he waste time on those that probably won't fit?

This is the problem with being so inflexible. It's one thing to have a clear idea, but for it to be so specific that the overwhelming majority of players can't play it, it just becomes dense. You feel Amorim needs to be at a team who can just bully the league they're in. No wonder City were into him as a Pep replacement, give him a billion and he might create a dynasty. By the tim we've given him a billion, half the current players will have retired.

That's a really good way of putting it - where his team can do the same thing every week but rely on having the best players to win. That's what he did at Sporting and it worked. But it's not gonna work at United. I think a lot of systems managers get found out that way in the Prem, and have to adapt - cos there's a lot of variation in the Prem and quality players. But with Amorim being young, he's learning on the job. Or not.

[swampash]

That’s the point Sid; he doesn’t seem to be learning. In fact he seems to think he has nothing to learn.