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fat maradona wrote: 2 months ago
Remi Moses wrote: 2 months ago I think the Ineos approach to transfers is exactly right. Hold exploratory talks across the market, not because they are randomly chasing ten midfielders at once, but because that is how you build a complete picture. You need to know the fee, wage expectations, agent demands, injury risk, contract situation, player appetite, selling-club pressure, and whether the structure of a deal is actually possible.

Only then can you judge value properly. A player might be the best footballing fit but terrible value at £85m (Fernandes). Another might be only 85% of the player stylistically, but good value at £38m (Ederson) with lower wages or better durability. That does not mean United are not ambitious. It means they are weighing football quality against cost, risk and squad fit.

If these criteria are applied to every incoming and outgoing, they become far more efficient with their capital. Consistent, well-thought-through decisions compound over time. That is how you build success, not by "winning" every headline deal, but by repeatedly making the right value decisions.
You are starting to see the structure Wilcox & Vivell are putting together. A lot of fans still want the Woodward approach to transfers and at the same time bemoan how shit they were and how much money we wasted.

I read that the recruitment team aren't looking for a specialist DM/no.6. They want midfielders that can play across the middle and provide versatility and you can see that in who we are linked with.

If they can go and get Joao Gomes (yeh yeh, I sound like a broken record), add that to Mount offering a bit more this season and a couple of the yoot getting more minutes, it'll free up money to get that LB and 2nd striker we need.
There's a middle ground though between the lunacy of Woodward and stretching the budget across all areas of the squad that need attention. Casemiro carried us in so many games last season and we needed players anyway before replacing him.

If Ederson really is off and we go into the season with Santos, Mainoo, Mount and some kids, we are risking going backwards. That's not to say we should spunk money on an overhyped player, just that real quality costs more than we are seemingly prepared to pay.

We can all sit here now in the summer and say we like this approach but when we lose 3-4 on the bounce and Carrick is under pressure, we'll be bemoaning it. That's not even accounting for injuries. Mount is forever injured and Mainoo is the type who has his 1-2 a season. Can you imagine the boiled piss if we're going into a derby with Tyler Fletcher and Bruno in midfield and Cunha jobbing at 10.

IMO we need to put all our eggs into the midfield basket and any other positions can be filled with punts/yoot. Spread it too thin and we'll crash out of the CL early and finish 5th or 6th, then it's back to having to spend big to get back into the CL again.
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Agree we need more bodies in midfield, I just don't agree we need to spend £80m+ on Scott or Nmecha when there is so much value out there for perceived lesser names.

That young Colombian lad officially signs for us today but I don't see him getting any first team minutes this season.
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fat maradona wrote: 2 months ago Agree we need more bodies in midfield, I just don't agree we need to spend £80m+ on Scott or Nmecha when there is so much value out there for perceived lesser names.

That young Colombian lad officially signs for us today but I don't see him getting any first team minutes this season.
Agreed. The club will spend money for the right players, just now its gone bonkers in England, west ham bought fernandes for 40m, yes he did well, but the club got relegated, and they wanted more than double after 1 season? Fuck off, more fool spurs. Tonali isn't a 100m player, same with elliot, hes very good, but overpriced. There are other players outside of the prem that can do the same, at normal value deals
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Looks like Tielmans is close, activating a £35M release clause. As usual, attractive due to allowing a quick deal with no difficult negotiations.

Santos/Mainoo are both small space players, who offer excellent control, but neither have yet developed consistent long rang passing and switches of play. Tielmans is a deep/central playmaker with excellent passing and offers experience and leadership.

This would mean the final midfielder MUST be a physical monster who can eat ground, cover big spaces and win headers.
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Remi Moses wrote: 2 months ago Looks like Tielmans is close, activating a £35M release clause. As usual, attractive due to allowing a quick deal with no difficult negotiations.

Santos/Mainoo are both small space players, who offer excellent control, but neither have yet developed consistent long rang passing and switches of play. Tielmans is a deep/central playmaker with excellent passing and offers experience and leadership.

This would mean the final midfielder MUST be a physical monster who can eat ground, cover big spaces and win headers.
Especially cos tracking back is Mainoo or Tielmans forte. We don't want another Ten Hag donut.
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Fuck the Glazers wrote: 2 months ago Especially cos tracking back is Mainoo or Tielmans forte. We don't want another Ten Hag donut.
Precisely. It is now the glaring issue to address, and there should be significant funds to do so.
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Honestly, Kobbie was deeper than Casemiro for most of the last 7-8 games and was tackling like Keano. Maybe they're trying to turn him into a deeper player?

Would be interested to hear their thinking when the dust has settled. Have we pivoted from Ederson to Tielemans? Or are they keeping Ederson in their back pocket?

On the surface there are interesting combos of players there. Tielemans, Mainoo and Santos can all keep the ball. Santos, Mount and Ederson will be the busy cunts. Mainoo is great when pressed and is becoming a tough tackler. Ederson the counter attacker. Tielemans can spray balls about and take the onus off Bruno to do everything. Ederson, Mount and Santos all like 1-2s. You still get the feeling we're missing something (winning headers as Remi says) but it would certainly feel better equipped than last season with Casemiro and Mainoo the starters with fuck all beyond that.
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My feeling is Ederson will not go ahead. Especially since Atalanta have offered him a 5 year contract.

I can't wait to see United on transtitions next season when both Tielemans and Bruno are on the pitch with our fast attackers.
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Tielemans sounds great. We can't depend on Kobbie. Let him fight for his place. We need an other midfielder who's expected to start every game.
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Whenever I've seen Tielemans, I've always been impressed, but I've maybe only seen him play 5-6 times. Just watching some stuff on YouTube and it strikes me how long the clips are. Normally you can make any player look good with a few nice touches/passes/goals etc. but Tielemans gets the ball, starts moves, drives through midfield, pings them over the top and so on. If he stays fit, we've got a real quality player there. Those pinged balls in particular have more than a touch of Scholesy about them.
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